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Dear Friends:
Here is the saying we have taken into our meditations and prayers since last week:
(43) His disciples said to him, "Who are you, that you should say these things to us?"
<Jesus said to them,> "You do not realize who I am from what I say to you, but you have become like the Jews, for they (either) love the tree and hate its fruit (or) love the fruit and hate the tree."
www.webcom.com/gnosis/nag...thlamb.html
Please share your thoughts and feelings.
Peace,
4W
Here is the saying we have taken into our meditations and prayers since last week:
(43) His disciples said to him, "Who are you, that you should say these things to us?"
<Jesus said to them,> "You do not realize who I am from what I say to you, but you have become like the Jews, for they (either) love the tree and hate its fruit (or) love the fruit and hate the tree."
www.webcom.com/gnosis/nag...thlamb.html
Please share your thoughts and feelings.
Peace,
4W
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Re: Got saying 43
Wed, July 27, 2005 - 8:33 AMThere is no historical evidence that Jesus was a Kabbalist as we typically think of such in modern times. Likewise, there is little evidence that Jewish mystics of his time used the Tree of Life as a specific visual symbol of metaphysics the way it is known to have been done since the 12th century. Still, the Tree of Life has always been an important religious symbol in Judaism and Christianity, as evidenced by its important role in the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden as well as in the final chapters of the Revelation of St. John. (Interestingly, Jesus' disciple, St. John, records that the fruit of the Tree of Life are twelve in number, one for each month. Esoterically speaking, this could be an allusion to 12 great prophets or messiahs, one representing each sign of the Zodiac or archetype of human personality.)
If the Tree is taken a more general symbol for the Living Presence of God (which is my preference in this case), then perhaps Jesus is here equating himself with the Tree for his disciples. In that context, the fruit would specifically be his words that the disciples are questioning. Nonetheless, this remains a layered metaphor, because it likens the disciples to the Jews, who either love God (the Tree) and hate His messengers (the fruit), or vice versa.
If we take our lead from St. John and look at this in a more esoteric way, then Jesus might be equating himself, at least personally, with the fruit (which we might further speculate is the great prophet or messiah of the Piscean age).
Peace,
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Re: Got saying 43
Wed, August 3, 2005 - 1:12 AMwell, I'm with the Griffin on this one, though I tried to avoid commenting because it seems complicated to me.
I think part of it is that Jesus is clearly saying he's the tree, and they're not understanding him at all -- hence the comparison to the Jews.
where I go cattywampus is about the hating the tree and loving the fruit, or vice versa, part.
in despising the tree but wanting the fruit, I suppose it might have something to do with wanting the results of the divine but not appreciating the messenger of that fruit. only wanting the goodies, not the process of what goes into growing them, the tradition of learning, the hard work of meditation, etc.
in loving the tree but hating the fruit, it seems reversed -- those Jews who adore the tradition but don't like what spiritual truths it's pointing to.
I'm just flailing, but it felt something like that to me.
peace to you guys --
(sheesh, are we the only three people on this entire tribe talking about these passages?)
Alx
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