Tribe.net. Local Connections sid s. http://gnostics.tribe.net/thread/dae1093b-6689-4ff9-b014-817c4f24a002#9a19bb47-4aa3-46d0-9ea5-286001338a9a 2009-04-18T13:50:06Z 2009-04-18T13:50:06Z

I doubt that they do.Jesus was a mortal,specifically,he was a Hebrew gnostic ascetic,and thru many of his practices one can become a fellow gnostic and learn the truth that ALL myopic religions are wrong headed and narrow minded. The idea of satan as a powerful tempter and the demonic realm are inventions by the ancient clerics,even before christainity.There is evil in the real world, but it's all man made. History clearly shows that all androcentric religions are evil.

sid s. 2009-04-18T13:50:06Z chrissie http://gnostics.tribe.net/thread/dae1093b-6689-4ff9-b014-817c4f24a002#c17e1354-58ec-45ad-befd-5751f448a12d 2009-03-30T14:16:49Z 2009-03-30T14:16:49Z

I really like the idea that the very name makes demons writhe. I have adverse reactions to the word 'God' too! And very often people are anti cxhristianity because they say of the untruths, and wars fought in that name. But now thinking about it, it is the ego in our selves that gets 'angry', or annoyed, and blocks us from our path, by putting up defences. So I see how the very power of the name(s) get such strong reactions. Some people say "I'd rather call it, 'the power of the universe' or some such thing" and I have gotten a bit fed up with this attitude and said 'get over it! God! God ! God!" It is like it is un cool, And so not to offend people use other terms to describe what is essentially, christ consciousness of the power of the Almighty.

chrissie 2009-03-30T14:16:49Z dj AEON http://gnostics.tribe.net/thread/dae1093b-6689-4ff9-b014-817c4f24a002#490ddfad-8a5e-4461-a9d5-e5cae5befeeb 2009-01-21T15:20:10Z 2009-01-21T15:20:10Z

hi there..just 2 say..while you guys are at it,remember to explore mithraism,persian magi religion,hermeticism and the good ol cretian goddess/knossos island connection...sweet gnosis,best blend of medi flavors ever...

dj AEON 2009-01-21T15:20:10Z cup http://gnostics.tribe.net/thread/dae1093b-6689-4ff9-b014-817c4f24a002#2441b8f6-9ceb-48ee-9a73-34ae01385d7b 2009-01-20T12:22:22Z 2009-01-20T12:22:22Z

Yes, Haveing explored Christianity for the past 2 years, I've had many a cyber eye raised. On this topic of exploring Western Spiritual/culture archetypes and symbolism, I would also suggest exploring the pagan origins prior to Christianity. That of the Celts, the Germans etc. The God Odin particularly had an impact on Western spirituality.

cup 2009-01-20T12:22:22Z chrissie http://gnostics.tribe.net/thread/dae1093b-6689-4ff9-b014-817c4f24a002#7af48db8-ce1e-4729-8633-561f7018d00e 2009-01-19T13:34:12Z 2009-01-19T13:34:12Z

Thats very eloquent dani, I have had adverse reactions from people for mentioning the 'god' word! I said to some 'get over it'. People keep saying to me that they 'hate' the christ or god word. Because of the connotations or the misconceptions. I have read in my kabala dream book, the author refers to the 'seeker after truth', in seeking the truth, we go beyond trivial as you say. My friend had 'Angel cards' and I had misgivings about them but gave it a try and came from my heart and soul...... I had some profound helpful guidance, because it is 'trust' and 'faith' I believe. I was also asked to meditate on the image of the creation story. The tree the serpent and Adam and Eve. I found an old woodcut, engraving picture. It had the tree in the centre - adam and eve either side and the serpent climbing the tree to the dove high above the tree. This simple picture and the story much maligned in our scientific world. BUT... It all began to mean something entirely different in the light of some work Ive been doing on the 'energies'. The Male and Fermale eg. Divine fem and masculine energies flow up and down the spine. Spiritual growth and wisdom are talked of and linked to the flow within the spine of the kundalini. and as it rises with our work, we reach the crown and spirit, wisdom. The words "let those that have eyes see and those that have ears hear" often quoted after the story of a parable, have a new meaning for me now, too. As you observations show those that limit themselves dont 'see' and dont 'hear'. They follow the trends, like its uncool to use the 'christ' word. Because of this and so or that and so. In studying as a Gnostic, what you describe is the 'ego' reacting, its anger or petty annoyance instead of listening considering and either accepting or dismissing from field of experience the information before you. BIG LOVE

chrissie 2009-01-19T13:34:12Z daniel mirante http://gnostics.tribe.net/thread/dae1093b-6689-4ff9-b014-817c4f24a002#385aafb1-fe3f-47cf-877e-5b61750ecfae 2007-08-12T15:09:16Z 2007-08-12T15:09:16Z

I have developed an interest in the traditions that formed the basis of the Western world, and yet I am reluctant to share what value I find in some of the ideals, visions and sentiments expressed there. It seems, in certain contexts, exposing a mere inch of sympathy to the christian vision can evoke very strong responses. Darts start flying. With my work with the tea and yoga, I have experienced extremely rarefied states of consciousness which are profoundly gentle and fragrant, a place of immense subtlety and purity. From this place of transparency, a condition in which the agendas of the ego/personality have temporarily abandoned its battle, it becomes evident that the perennial philosophies and the ideals of many mystics and teachers, are inspired truth, filtered through the capacities of language. From such a place, it seems nauseous and unnatural to make war or argue with the ancient sacred visions and creeds of the many generations before us, that evoked and then were filled with the beauty of the human heart. As a result of these experiences, I have come to a place of non-reactivity and even active interest in many aspects of the Western tradition, which I feel compliments and deepens my prior interests in shamanism and the Vedas. I understand the symbol of Christ as the divine child of the cosmos, a brother of complete love and compassion, God entering and touching its creation, and submitting to its rigor in order to fulfil a deep cosmic transformation and redemption. This is the Ideal, for me, that stands beyond the argumented 'facts' of history and peoples different personal issues with what they percieve to be the results of christianity. Christianity aside, I find nothing to argue with in the Ideal of Christ. Its Ideal is of tenderness and beauty and guidance, which stands, in direct experience, as self evident and deeply benevolent in the numinous light. People blame Christ for witchhunts, ignoring the millions of christians that died at the hands of rome at the dawn of this revelation. People blame Christ for war, when there has always been war, before and after Christ, and in cultures unaquainted with christianity. God is not needed for war, since the most horrifying wars in history were perpetrated by God-denying, secular powers. It is human free will, not God that impells us to ignorance, hypocracy, control and destruction. The Ideal of Christ, beyond history, reflects the deepest and most tender sentiments within us. This is what Ideals are for. The world has been transfigured by the myths of christianity. There is a 'compulsory apocalypse lobby' of evangelical endtimers, consumed with the idea of a coming apocalpse and doing everything in their control to bring it on. And yet beyond the destructive provarications and irrationality, it does seem that the human race is drawing close to catastrophic change, the outcome of which is inherently unpredictable. The secular mindset seems unable to comprehend such a level of change, because it is a self-referencing matrix, a worldview that endlessly references anthropomorphic primism. The new-age vacilates in chapel perilous, a confusing interplay of paradoxical and often nonsensical concepts. I suggest that active engagement with the principal ideas and myths that compose the substratum of the western mind, and therefore anyone born and reared within western civilisation, is a requisite for their clarification and transformation, so that the various creeds that are currently in conflict are again percieved as an unbroken and non-conflicting series of ideals and mythic truths, that whilst often paradoxical, nonetheless can stand side by side in harmony as beautiful and inspired understandings, which can be values as the common and ownerless natural treasures of the human race. But this cannot happen without active engagement, direct experience, using intuition to bring balance, to shamanically regenerate the original sentiments, to clarify these constellates in order to harmonise the conflicts of worldview within the planet in these times. It cannot happen through denial, blame or histility operating through a shallow assemblage point of reactivity, blame or thinly vieled intellectualised hatred. Only by reaching beyond reactivity and shallow thinking, intuiting the beingness of the Ideals, and how the images and myths are meant as learning and teaching vessels for this formless beauty and goodness, can the conflict caused by the humanisation and fragmentation of these higher realities be healed.

daniel mirante 2007-08-12T15:09:16Z